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I have written/elaborated on an outline for the novel (yes, the same one I've been "working on" for the past 6 years).  It is 16 pages (9,700 words = 10% of the novel's projected word count) long.  I think my goal is to somehow write the novel by continuously elaborating on the outline?  I guess this puts to rest any idea that I might be a pantser instead of a plotter.  LOLOLOL.  Don't even tell me if this isn't going to work, all you people who have successfully written novels.  That's pretty much what I accomplished over university closedown.  I didn't do any work on short stories, people.  But good news is, the two short stories I spent autumn working on - "Absolute Zero" and "Infested" - both made it into the anthologies they were written for (Creature!  Thirty Years of Monster Stories, ed. Paul Tremblay and John Langan, and Bewere The Night, ed. Ekaterina Sedia).  Just got the acceptance for the latter story this afternoon before I headed out for New Year's, so I was already in a chipper state before I had the ouzo.

The Twilight Zone marathon has been on SyFy all day.  Saw "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street" earlier.  Still a great and necessary story about I-have-seen-the-enemy-and-it-is-us in my book, as trite/predictable as it may seem to modern audiences (clearly not so trite/predictable that we have learned not to repeat Maple Street's mistakes).  ETA: This episode reminded me somewhat of Shirley Jackson's We Have Always Lived In the Castle, particularly when the one guy's like, "Are we going to pick apart the idiosyncrasies of every man, woman, and child..."  But I will make a post specifically about We Have Always Lived In the Castle.

This year, like last year, I celebrated New Year's with the local Greek population.  But this year I not only broke a plate, but I participated in the women's folk dance!  Second time around I started getting the steps right.  Considering that last year I chickened out for fear of embarrassing myself, I for one am fairly proud.  Onward, to Namek2011!  Selamat Tahun Baru!

Date: 2011-01-02 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
Interesting. Never would've thought to do that.

It should arrive soon. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but I felt I needed to follow through on something I said...

Yeah, it's cool that you got published. I'm just sufficiently contrarian to wonder if support and/or acceptance are signs you're doing something wrong, rather than something right. Or maybe thought is itself a symptom of me feeling like an outsider here. Maybe it's a little of both.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
*that thought

(reworded the sentence, left out a word)

Date: 2011-01-02 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
To go to the Parthenon? I mean, it's Christina's idea, since she knows everyone at the Parthenon. But there's a live band and dancing and plate-breaking, and it's very festive without being annoying like downtown is.

Oh dear. I'm sure it'll be fine, really.

I understand. I think the support isn't really a sign of anything other than my LJ-friends being supportive because they're my friends - the acceptances, there are cases when I would feel that, but I don't submit to markets/editors I don't consider to be doing good work. I feel like I'm just starting to be able to write the kinds of stories I want to write, from a conceptual and stylistic perspective, and I don't think I'm compromising on anything.

Date: 2011-01-02 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
That makes more sense.

haha.

That sounds good. I don't think I can judge, at least not for now.

Date: 2011-01-02 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
Well, I would add: it's not just people being supportive, but the way you respond to them. I feel like you're trying to win a popularity contest. But I could be way off base. It's like, when I talk to you, it's the 'real' Nadia, but when I see you talk to them, I'm like, "Who is that? Do I know her?" It's a really weird feeling.

Date: 2011-01-02 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Well, I talk like I normally would with you, because I know you very well, and I'm sort of casual-conversational with LJ-friends (like I would be at a party). Usually if I'm talking about a "serious" topic I will talk the same way to everyone, but if it's a light subject then it's just small talk. Sorry if it comes off that way. Believe me, if I was trying to win a popularity contest, there's a lot of other things I'd be doing.

Date: 2011-01-02 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
Yeah, I think I feel the same way when I'm talking to you about what you consider a light subject, haha. I'm sure it's a normal thing to do, but it seems insincere to me. Sorry. And I do believe you about the popularity contest thing.

Date: 2011-01-02 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Wait, what (I did not understand the first sentence)? I take your point, though, and good on you for keeping me honest. I don't feel like I'm really lying/faking, but it's definitely my dinner-party-mode (although I like my LJ-friends more than, say, my high school acquaintances, so it comes easier to me).

Date: 2011-01-02 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
I mean, you seem to have the same tone occasionally even when we're talking, and I think that corresponds to your division between serious subjects and light subjects. It could also be that you're just feeling particularly bubbly then, or distracted.

It's times like this when I do feel very much like a philosophy student (because many of them have a similar attitude toward conversation), and I think that's part of why people always tell me I belong in academia. :P

Date: 2011-01-02 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
(I think that attitude partly stems from not really having a division between "serious" conversation and not, and relatedly from the so-called 'will to truth'. ...I don't care if relatedly isn't a word. It should be.)

Date: 2011-01-02 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Well, when I was first trying to describe my tone I wanted to say something like "skimming on the top of things" or something else connotating lightness (wtf connotating isn't a word?).

Uh-oh, am I going to turn you back to academia?

Date: 2011-01-02 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
Yes, I hate skimming on the top of things. It seems like a waste of words.

Well, you aren't, but you do realize that academia is the only career suitable to me, right? I'm only rejecting it because I'm too idealistic.

Date: 2011-01-02 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Yes, Lindsey the Forthright.

I thought you were also rejecting it because you didn't think you'd actually be happy in academia (or maybe that's the same thing as being too idealistic) and wouldn't accomplish what you want in academia.

Date: 2011-01-02 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
I am also irritated with myself when I feel I can't get past the surface of things, fwiw. It's also probably a sign I'm in a bad place mentally/emotionally.

I don't know about happiness. I have a suspicion I'd end up unemployed, but maybe that's just my pessimism. The best schools still turn out employable graduates, right? I just don't want to be a specialist/professional; I think it's contrary to philosophy, and the humanities in general. I don't want to be involved in a business. I don't want academic politics, or selling knowledge to students. And I'm skeptical that I could sustain myself in that environment, that I could write things and do work that would get good grades or keep me employed precisely because I have the attitudes I do about intellectual pursuits, because I don't like putting my thoughts in bite-sized, marketable chunks; because I literally can't explain my 'research process'; because I think philosophy should be much more holistic than not only the thought but the entire academic system is set up to be; because I think time for reflection and cultivation is totally eliminated from such a system but essential to intellectual development.

That said, I may yet end up there for a time, if they'll have me.

Date: 2011-01-02 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
Anyway, this is what I mean about being to idealistic. I'm not sure what you mean about not accomplishing what I want or not being happy.

Date: 2011-01-02 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
What I mean by not accomplishing what you want is the whole "I'm skeptical that I could sustain myself in that environment" and being forced to do work in a way that is contrary to what seems right to you. What I mean by not being happy is, I guess, that if you're doing work in a way you don't like and that you don't think is productive (and if you're caught up in academic politics and selling knowledge to students), I'm not sure how happy you'd be.

Date: 2011-01-03 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
So I guess that's the same thing I mean by being too idealistic about what academia should do or allow me to do. You just sound...much more certain, more absolute about it.

Date: 2011-01-03 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Huh - maybe because I'm trying to summarize what I perceive to be your take on grad school. I'm not certain or absolute about any of it myself (I really don't feel like I know enough to present an opinion on specifics). In your communication with me, I got the impression that grad school was no longer an option for those reasons.

Date: 2011-01-03 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
It's just an idea. I don't know how right or wrong it is.

Date: 2011-01-03 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
That's what I'm looking for in talking to others about it--a gauge of how right or wrong, exactly, it is.

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Date: 2011-01-02 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
But why do you think that?

Date: 2011-01-02 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
it's connoting, I think

Date: 2011-01-02 08:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-01-02 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
But then, I suppose that's why I ask you when I want to try to observe social niceties or do things in an approved of way...

Date: 2011-01-02 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Yeah, exactly. LOL.

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