Thor

May. 11th, 2011 11:31 am
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This was entertaining, much more so than most superhero or pseudo-superhero movies.  It's not particularly subversive, and the humor is kind of slapstick, but oh well.  The bad guys (to the extent that there even are bad guys...) are all aliens, so at least there's no demonization of human cultures going on.  The parts that take place on Earth are way more fun than the parts that take place on, uh, Thor's home planet.  Overall, alternated between funny and campy!dramatic, but in a very non-annoying way - and we all know how easy it is to annoy me.

I thought they actually did a really nice job with the everyday folk in this one - Natalie Portman's character was very likable and relatable and cute (and everything about Thor was filtered through her perspective, which was awesome, because it almost felt more like he was the love interest, not her - which is really fucking rare in action movies, to allow women to show desire - usually it's just like, Exasperated Love Interest Suddenly Becomes Willing To Make Out With Hero, How Did That Happen? Don't Ask), with her main adjective probably being "clever."  Her assistant, Darcy - the political science student - was the comic relief, and was a riot.  Then their beleaguered scientist mentor dude was Stellan Skarsgard, and he did a good job; I generally like Skarsgard anyway.  It all takes place in a very desertified New Mexico.

The aliens - Thor's people, and their enemies the Frost Giants - are a little headscratchy.  They have a nice-looking planet, sure, with the cosmos as their sky and a long psychedelic crystal highway that leads out to the rainbow bifrost bridge - kind of like something off a sketchy "space art" web site.  And their attire reminded more of Saint Seiya than anything else, did anybody watch that show?  Disturbing anime, that.  Anyway, they're all completely identical to humans aside from their ridiculous armor, which was played for some laughs when they eventually came to Earth.  The Frost Giants are corpse-gray with red eyes and live in a desolate ice world.  Character development in this "realm," as Thor would say, was a little weak, but I think is a good example of what I was saying the other day - heroic heroes are more interesting than antiheroes. 

Thor comes straight out of Hero Mold, you see.  He is a total stupid dumbfuck when he first becomes an adult, but his flaws are hero flaws - wants to go after the enemy and teach them a lesson, doesn't want to wait for diplomacy, must defend honor, blah blah blah - a lot of sound and fury and prideful bombast, but he doesn't angst or consider switching sides or even behave all that reprehensibly.  There was one part where I thought he might suffer A Very Painful Lesson (TM) because he's smashing all these Frost Giants with his whack-a-mole hammer while miles away his friends are about to get eaten by a gigantic ice Balrog/Troll, but no, he sees that they're in danger and saves them.  He has some character defects, but they're heroic defects.  And he becomes much less of a dumbfuck as the movie progresses.  But thank God, you know, thank God that he wasn't "I'm just a loser and I'm sad about my average life but holy shit look I have superpowers now I am uber cool woohoo."  I am so done with that kind of superhero.  With Thor, at least we've moved beyond the standard "what does this power mean?" conversations, because you know, Thor knows he has power.  He's been groomed to be a leader all his life.  So instead of "you too can be a leader" claptrap you can actually concentrate on what good leadership is (not that this movie is very deep, but eh).  And if that means that fewer boys in the audience can "relate" to Thor, too damn bad for them.  Captain America looks right up their alley.

Loki, his brother, the "bad guy," is a whole bucket of crazy.  He's kind of sympathetic, and he's certainly Thor's shadow-self, and he doesn't seem to be motivated by Unrepenting Evil or whatever, but neither his motives nor his personality are consistent.  I don't mean that he develops as a character like Thor does - he's just wildly inconsistent.  I accept that he's keeping his true motives and plan to himself, but towards the end I kept going like "Loki, why are you doing that?  I thought that's what you wanted!" and "Loki, what the fuck?"  Unlike Thor, you never really figure out what Loki believes or values - we get that he values himself, yeah, but he seems to have literally no opinions or belief system beyond that - which is just as bad as the villain that is evil Just Because.  

But, oh well.  The movie ultimately comes down not on the side of genocide, which for an action blockbuster, is pretty good.

Date: 2011-05-11 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com
A lot of Loki's actions come out of sheer perversity, which I certainly understand, since that's also much of Chess Pargeter's motivation: You can't control me! You can't tell which way I'll jump! I'll do what I want, even when I don't actually want to, and it'll work out JUST as badly for me! Case in point--when Loki joined the Aesir (as a blood-brother to Odin rather than his adopted son, and as a result of his own choice, in the original myth), they gave him an Aesir wife, Sigynn. Sigynn was beautiful, loyal (she's the one who holds a bowl to keep snake-venom from dripping on his face, once the gods get tired of his sorry ass and imprison him under a mountain) and an all-around nice chick, but Loki never had kids with her, possibly because he never had sex with her. Instead, he went back to Jotunheim and hooked up with the ogress Angrboda, by whom he had Hel, Fenris and the Midgard Serpent, putting everybody three more steps down the road to Ragnarok. Just 'cause.

My favourite Loki line from Marvel still has to be: "I am the fire that burn! And WHY does the fire burn?...I know not, but I am he."

Date: 2011-05-11 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Yeah, I think Loki is way more angst-driven in the movie Thor. He really seems to want Odin's love and approval, for one, and is less "trickster" than just "the quiet one."

Date: 2011-05-11 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com
Trickster = chaos, not funny fun fun. Most Hollywood types have difficulty with this truth, except when talking about the Joker.

Date: 2011-05-11 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Yeah, good point. I think it's not just Hollywood though, it's in the way "tricksters" are explained to children (I want to say nowadays particularly). I mean, when I think trickster I think... imp, or gremlin, and even those creatures have become somewhat sanitized, I think - they'll play tricks on you but they're not really mean, you just have to find a way to appease them. Just like fairies = happy sparkly magic time, not "oh God help us all" time. I don't know, this is just a theory on my part.

Date: 2011-05-11 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com
Well, that's not to say Loki can't be amusing. I personally find him pretty witty, most of the time. But yes, essentially offputting.

Date: 2011-05-11 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com
But also, if they're doing the "Loki was adopted and didn't know it" thing, then that's understandable. It'd be weird enough for him that he looks so unlike the rest of the Aesir physically, without adding his inclinations to magic, shapeshifting and lying in on top. I'd think finding out he's a jotun would be really freeing, eventually.

Date: 2011-05-11 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
I guess it did free him, in the long run, and it looks like he'll be even more of a straightforward villain in The Avengers. I mean, I felt bad for Loki when he found out he was "adopted" (or as he saw it, stolen from his homeland to be used as a puppet of diplomacy), and I thought he was going to actually conspire to help the frost giants, but then... no. Still all about Odin. I'll grant that he's supposed to be an agent of chaos and all, but it came off as less chaotic and more like the moviemakers just what to do with him.

Date: 2011-05-11 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com
Oh no, wait a minute: He DID have kids with Sigynn, in one version of the myth. And the other gods killed one of his sons in order to make unbreakable sinew bonds to tie him down with. I'm hoping the other one ran off to live with Angrboda after that, personally, but I doubt it.

Date: 2011-05-11 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Ew, like here, I'll tie you down with your own kid's muscle? That sounds vaguely familiar though. Yeesh.

Date: 2011-05-11 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com
The Aesir take breaking vows/their word pretty seriously, so Loki's Father of Lies persona really pisses them off. Google Tyr, and find out how he lost his hand.;)

Date: 2011-05-11 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Yeah, I love that illustration by John Bauer.

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