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intertribal ([personal profile] intertribal) wrote2010-06-22 11:19 am

women in horror, the legend continues

This is a 2007 video that [livejournal.com profile] sockkpuppett (Luminosity) and [livejournal.com profile] sisabet made for Vividcon - the theme is the depiction of women in Supernatural, and the song they used is "Violet" by Hole (which should tell you in what direction the video's going).  It's extremely graphic - but of course this was all on the CW - and potentially triggery.  It's called "Women's Work."


As I don't watch Supernatural, I defer to [livejournal.com profile] cofax7 for some extra words: "I've been aware for the entire time I've watched the show that there were problems with the presentation of women, but this vid really provides the ammunition for that argument. Because even if the male deaths total the same number (which I don't know), the fact is that they are filmed entirely differently: they are clothed, the camera doesn't linger on them, they're not swimming, in bed, in bedclothes, bathing. Women in peril are sexy, and in a different way than the Winchesters in peril. Dean on his knees is sexy not because he is in peril, but because we know he's going to get up and kick ass in just a moment, because the show has identified him as the Hero. Whereas none of the women have that protection in the text."  More commentary on [livejournal.com profile] sisabet's LJ here.

[identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Somebody did an amazing Criminal Minds vid which was about not so much women as victims but women as survivors, horrifically scarred but unbroken. That was pretty neat, since CM can certainly be accused of falling into the same loaded gender paradigm. Can't recall who, 'cause my mind is cheese, but there can't be that many.

As for male deaths on Supernatural, you'd probably almost immediately run into the parallel problem of POC getting killed...though I guess that's a whole 'nother issue.

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
you'd probably almost immediately run into the parallel problem of POC getting killed

Oh dear.

[identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah...again, I got nothin', because it's not really debatable. Just another annoying undercurrent to a show I happen to like, though I understand why it would really alienate other people.

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
It happens. I'm like that with Heart of Darkness.

[identity profile] handful-ofdust.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too!