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So I've never actually seen a Limp Bizkit video - yes, Limp Bizkit - but I was forced to turn to YouTube when I got a random craving to listen to "Break Stuff" - ah, brings back memories of homecoming. I'm not even kidding. And now I'm completely obsessed with this video. I love music videos that feature "regular people" saying the lines of the song - see System of a Down's Boom! and Placebo's Running Up That Hill - they can get a little myspacey at times but I think that's worth the effect: showing the universality of the song.

Anyway. Here's "Break Stuff".  If this song isn't universal, I don't know what universal is.

Date: 2008-10-05 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Ahhhhh! Does that mean anger is not an emotion that can be felt by a lot of people?? Because that's what I was trying to convey.

Date: 2008-10-05 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
well, some sort of what we would call anger, probably. the anthropologist would probably just like to clarify that anger, irritation, etc. are expressed in different ways according to cultural norms, social status, and so on and in fact may be felt qualitatively differently due to circumstance. since i'm a peircean, i guess i say that the closest thing to universals are qualities of pure feeling ("qualisigns"), the kind that as soon as you're conscious of them you're interpreting them in a way possibly influenced by your own culture. but they come from the sense-impressions we have by virtue of being human.

Date: 2008-10-05 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
okay... qualisigns then.

Date: 2008-10-05 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
sure, as long as qualisigns are not the feeling of anger, but merely embodied in the feeling of anger, the sensation of that irritation in your mind and body, separated from its cause and effect, unmediated by its expression or understanding in socioculturally bound terms like "anger", the pure feeling as can hardly even be present to the mind except in a half-awake state

not saying you have to care, but i do, so that's what i'd say.

Date: 2008-10-05 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Believe me, man, I don't. But that's cool that you do.

Date: 2008-10-06 07:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
just as long as you don't go claiming that we're all equal because we're universally 'the same', i think we're fine.

Date: 2008-10-06 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Well I definitely don't believe in universality... in everyday life/politics. I do biologically/spiritually, however.

Date: 2008-10-07 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
I don't know what that really means, so I can't agree or disagree...

Date: 2008-10-07 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
All part of the same species?

Date: 2008-10-07 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
well, that means different things to different people, because they assign different importance, functions, etc. to genes, species-membership (as opposed to the nearly statistically universal but non-biologically universal societal membership), etc. for me it certainly exists but means precious little.

Date: 2008-10-07 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com
Hmm... it probably means a bit more than "precious little" to me, but I understand your point. I'm not saying it's all that significant, but it is something that I think.

Date: 2008-10-07 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com
Well, we are allowed to disagree here...

Date: 2008-10-07 10:43 pm (UTC)

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