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intertribal ([personal profile] intertribal) wrote2010-12-04 11:46 pm

and he that toucheth the flesh of the unclean becomes unclean.

Re: The recent controversy over the Smithsonian Institute's installation "Hide/Seek: Difference and Desire in American Portraiture." 

I actually really, really like the "video in question:" "Fire In My Belly," created by David Wojnarowicz in 1987.  Brutal and sad and frightening for sure (it almost reminds me of Begotten, but better).  But powerful, I think, and evocative.  You can hardly accuse it of having nothing to say or being "merely competent."  And look, people: I have mummy-phobia, and I have it pretty bad.  I don't find it pleasant either.  But judging by the way people were talking about it, and the way it was described in news articles, you would have thought it was a 4-minute video of ants crawling on a crucifix (or as the Washington Post puts it "Ant-covered Jesus video").  That segment is 11 seconds.  11 seconds!  And not even a memorable part.  That's like calling Cormac McCarthy's The Crossing a "book about abandoning dogs."

But, the video was removed after people like the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights (hahaha), House Minority Leader John Boehner, and Republican Whip Eric Cantor complained about it.  Catholic League guy is just grossed out: "The material is vile... This is hate speech... It is designed to insult (Christians)."  Eric Cantor is pitching to the Putting the Christ Back in Xmas demographic: "an obvious attempt to offend Christians during the Christmas season."  Just want to remind: 11 seconds.  Also, not everything is about you.  Boehner threatened the Smithsonian with... something, when the Republicans take control of the House in January, if they didn't fix the problem.  But another Republican, Jack Kingston, wants to launch a Congressional investigation, because he is very angry about tax dollars - no, no, public space - being used to fund this "really perverted sick stuff" (he also thinks "Male nudity, Ellen DeGeneres grabbing her own breast" are sick and perverted and kinky and questionable; presumably female nudity can still qualify as art): "They claim that this is not paid for by tax dollars, yet this is a public building with a publicly paid staff, public heat and air-conditioning, if you will, public security. So there’s no question the taxpayers are subsidizing this."

Contrast this with this snippet from the Publishers Weekly review of a book about Wojnarowicz, David Wojnarowicz: A Definitive History of Five or Six Years on the Lower East Side: "informed by his outrage against America's treatment of outsiders, in particular those suffering with AIDS." 

So on the one hand, video informed by outrage against America's treatment of outsiders.  American politician condemns video as, essentially, not representative enough of the public experience to justify public dollars being spent on it.  Yes, you ARE an outsider, says Jack Kingston.  You are not one of the public.  Your pain and your experience are not ours.  Sit down and shut up

Which is fucking bullshit, in case I needed to add that.

See also, a great article by John Coulthart (he makes the same point I do - "Among other things Wojnarowicz’s film depicts the artist having his lips sewn together. By shutting out Wojnarowicz from their exhibition the gallery and the Smithsonian Institute re-affirm the point he was making in the 1980s about the voices of the afflicted being silenced" - and adds a ton more, including a bonus riff on The Passion of the Christ, re: who is "allowed" to depict violation of Christ's body): "Ecce homo redux."

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. That makes total sense for you, based off all the conversations we've had about weakness/victims. I don't think I'd relate to that just because I don't relate to upbeat things (or rather to satire). Not for any conceptual reason, I just don't tend to like it.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really like upbeat things either, but if I have to stay on that theme...

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
If you have to stay on what theme?

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
being an outsider

Actually, if we're staying solely in the realm of art, I guess something like Notes From Underground or maybe even Orlando would be more up my alley.

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know Notes From Underground (I think you quoted some of it to me at one point), but I do like Orlando (don't know if I'd characterize it as upbeat, but it's not a downer either). I find it hard to be upbeat about being an outsider, but maybe I'm just not in a good mood today.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Great men never fit in!

There, upbeat.

Anyhow, I don't think self-congratulation, self-flagellation, self-destruction, or all these sort of weak and limiting habits of mind (upbeat or angry or sad, no matter) are particularly interesting until they are allowed to be seen as habits of mind, or part of a situation, and as they relate to others.

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. I guess you were being sarcastic there?

Sure - and I guess I would say that this is part of a situation, and does relate to others? Or maybe I'm just seeing what isn't there. Or maybe what it says about the situation and others is too painfully obvious to be of any insight.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
No, not sarcastic at all.

No, that to be would be analysis of the work of art. And maybe that's interesting, but it doesn't help me relate to the work of art itself.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, the work of art itself would have to reflect on the situation, let you see the situation in its entirety, represent more than one expression, one perspective, one cry of rage. Otherwise it limits itself to that, and any insight on the situation is left outside.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't mean reflect on the situation in the way non-narrative/non-artistic forms would, but it's what art does that allows the viewer to reflect...like show the whole situation, not just one emotion; show the effects, not just the cause; show other people, not just one. Even just one person over time allows more comparison, more conflicting desires, conflicting thoughts, conflicting emotions. Here it's like there's no conflict in that sense.

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I might say there are two voices in the video - the artist and the woman shouting in the music - but I don't know if the perspective of the shouting woman is really shown. She's kind of part of the setting/background, I suppose.

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, interesting. Interesting because I've always accepted "one expression, one perspective, one cry of rage" as okay for art, especially visual art (I might agree with that standard for literature and full-length movies, though). It does limit itself to that, but I'm okay with that brief burst of whatnot.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
And maybe I don't get short films, idk. But I guess especially if that one perspective is a particularly unhealthy one, it bothers me. Put it in a series or something if you have to, but flesh it out. :P

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
So part of your objection, really, is that it's too simplistic and lacking in context/texture.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Um, maybe, but I wouldn't put it that way, because it's only insofar as being 'lacking' in this respect completely and totally changes the meaning of the whole from something insightful to just an emotion. It's like the difference between looking at a piece of anti-Jewish Nazi propaganda and something related to Germany during WWII. What you think because of the propaganda is irrelevant--the only standard to judge the propaganda as a piece of art is the expression it itself represents, i.e. one of anti-Semitism, etc. instead of a reflection on what that means.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
You might of course appreciate it other than as a work of art, however.

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
The propaganda, or this video?

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
And I suppose having that context ahead of time - say, looking at a piece of propaganda within an exhibit on WWII propaganda, or whatnot - doesn't change that for the piece itself, you can only judge it by what itself represents.

[identity profile] royinpink.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
It changes your experience of the piece, but it doesn't change the piece as art, no, at least by my idea of art. I'm not gonna be like, 'Ah yes, I totally see what the Nazis were saying here. What an achievement of a great mind!'

[identity profile] intertribal.livejournal.com 2010-12-10 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, well, yeah. I think the distinction between one's experience of the piece and the piece as art is pretty useful, although I'm pretty sure I would still mistake one for the other. It makes me think of the whole idea/argument that art includes an interaction between the viewer/reader and the work of art, so how much does the viewer's experience factor into the work of art... okay, I can already guess your answer to this, haha. I never even really got that argument, so NM.