Well, I really don't mean or try to make you feel like total shit, and I'm very sorry that's the case. Please, if I do that, stop me before I keep going. I'm much worse in written discussion, I think, of judging how a conversation is progressing; much more confident, too...
Well, how do I have a discussion, then? What do you expect from me? Tell me, and I'll tell you if I think I can do it, or try. As it is, I just try to respond to you with what I see in what you write that I care about, that I'm interested in, that I have some response to, and sometimes it becomes an argument. I don't really like arguing either, but I've grown to accept it. I prefer more collaborative discussions, but maybe that's only possible when you agree on the presuppositions to discussion... I mean, how do you express disagreement otherwise? As for changing what you think, that's not necessarily the goal. Maybe agreement is, although I think argument itself can be worthwhile sometimes even when you disagree in the end. I understand the other person's position better, and often my own, too. I'm more likely to respect their position after an argument than before it...y'know?
I don't know why you feel like you have to rescue what I'm attacking, though maybe it's good for me...?
Okay. But it doesn't mean I have to accept what you're saying, either. And being wrong isn't a "whatever," it's a genuine admission on my part.
I feel like you're telling to agree with you or shut up because I'm a disrespectful, aggressive, annoying person. I have faith, though, that you are not.
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Date: 2008-10-26 04:13 am (UTC)Well, how do I have a discussion, then? What do you expect from me? Tell me, and I'll tell you if I think I can do it, or try. As it is, I just try to respond to you with what I see in what you write that I care about, that I'm interested in, that I have some response to, and sometimes it becomes an argument. I don't really like arguing either, but I've grown to accept it. I prefer more collaborative discussions, but maybe that's only possible when you agree on the presuppositions to discussion... I mean, how do you express disagreement otherwise? As for changing what you think, that's not necessarily the goal. Maybe agreement is, although I think argument itself can be worthwhile sometimes even when you disagree in the end. I understand the other person's position better, and often my own, too. I'm more likely to respect their position after an argument than before it...y'know?
I don't know why you feel like you have to rescue what I'm attacking, though maybe it's good for me...?
Okay. But it doesn't mean I have to accept what you're saying, either. And being wrong isn't a "whatever," it's a genuine admission on my part.
I feel like you're telling to agree with you or shut up because I'm a disrespectful, aggressive, annoying person. I have faith, though, that you are not.