Anyway, I probably overreacted to this at first. I apologize for that. But if so, I feel like this just shows that we both feel condescended to when neither of us is being condescending (this has happened with me and Jason, for somewhat unrelated reasons). Because sometimes people have power over one another through friendship rather than one person having power over another through domination, and I care what you think of me.
This is bordering on the obvious, but I can only say that I'm not saying you're wrong because you're different, I do think it's possible to discuss race and wealth, though maybe not with you individually if that's how you want to see it. I am not for anyone not complaining. I want there to be critique. I just want that critique to be conscious of what it's critiquing, and what it aligns itself with. In other words, I'm not for people subordinating themselves to hegemony by accepting their role in it rather than critiquing the whole hegemony, including their own role if need be. There are no victims and villains here, though there are certainly oppression and oppressed people. Most of all, I don't want people to accept anything as part of a marginal identity that silences them, denies them agency, or denies them social power. I don't think that's healthy for anyone, but more likely to happen for groups that aren't dominant, and I don't mean to set out "rules for the marginal ones" by it (as if I'm at all in a position to do such a thing anyway--apparently I am in your mind, but I don't think what I say counts for much to anyone else). It's open to critique.
I've apologized for saying a number of things a number of times, and that's all I can do. For like the twentieth time, I don't think you're stupid or irrational. I won't apologize for considering you as an equal who I could discuss such things with, but if you don't want me to do mention it ever again, I suppose I can censor myself for you. But I will write what I will on my own journal. I can lock it for you, I suppose. Would you rather I do that?
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Date: 2008-05-26 05:56 am (UTC)This is bordering on the obvious, but I can only say that I'm not saying you're wrong because you're different, I do think it's possible to discuss race and wealth, though maybe not with you individually if that's how you want to see it. I am not for anyone not complaining. I want there to be critique. I just want that critique to be conscious of what it's critiquing, and what it aligns itself with. In other words, I'm not for people subordinating themselves to hegemony by accepting their role in it rather than critiquing the whole hegemony, including their own role if need be. There are no victims and villains here, though there are certainly oppression and oppressed people. Most of all, I don't want people to accept anything as part of a marginal identity that silences them, denies them agency, or denies them social power. I don't think that's healthy for anyone, but more likely to happen for groups that aren't dominant, and I don't mean to set out "rules for the marginal ones" by it (as if I'm at all in a position to do such a thing anyway--apparently I am in your mind, but I don't think what I say counts for much to anyone else). It's open to critique.
I've apologized for saying a number of things a number of times, and that's all I can do. For like the twentieth time, I don't think you're stupid or irrational. I won't apologize for considering you as an equal who I could discuss such things with, but if you don't want me to do mention it ever again, I suppose I can censor myself for you. But I will write what I will on my own journal. I can lock it for you, I suppose. Would you rather I do that?