I didn't know that until now. I have no idea what authors you've read or what they have said.
Fine then, we don't have equal background here. That still doesn't mean I think you're dumb, as what someone has read is by no means equal to either what they know or what they are capable of knowing.
I refuse to be ashamed of myself, to say, "Okay, I'm wrong, I give up, you're right" just because I'm white. That would be truly condescending. because race has got nothing to do with being right or wrong.
Fine, if you want a minority pedigree instead, does it help that it's not just white people who think so? That Jason (who is very much mexican-american) largely agrees with me about issues of race (although I suppose the elementary school kids he was teaching before he left for bulgaria thought him a race-traitor for not speaking like he should, for going on to college and acting like a white kid--if that isn't racial identity keeping people from opportunity, I don't know what is)? That there are actually people, of various races, that debate issues like this and that it's horribly racist to say that just because someone is not white means they will have a particular opinion on these issues?
Furthermore, Bourdieu is very much a working class provincial guy who ended up in academia and became disillusioned with it, causing him to write lots of books about how the social position of academics influences their opinions and struggle with being an intellectual, trying more and more to be a part of the public domain. Butler is, of course, a woman, and hugely influential in gender and queer studies. These are people who are arguing against social domination... Nietzsche, however, is sort of unabashedly elitist. Although most of all, what he is against is the sort of weakness (invariably created by hierarchy and culture) that he sees as ruining the pride and happiness of men. These are interesting and complicated issues, and reducing the argument to a matter of upbringing does it a huge disservice.
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Date: 2008-05-26 01:04 am (UTC)Fine then, we don't have equal background here. That still doesn't mean I think you're dumb, as what someone has read is by no means equal to either what they know or what they are capable of knowing.
I refuse to be ashamed of myself, to say, "Okay, I'm wrong, I give up, you're right" just because I'm white. That would be truly condescending. because race has got nothing to do with being right or wrong.
Fine, if you want a minority pedigree instead, does it help that it's not just white people who think so? That Jason (who is very much mexican-american) largely agrees with me about issues of race (although I suppose the elementary school kids he was teaching before he left for bulgaria thought him a race-traitor for not speaking like he should, for going on to college and acting like a white kid--if that isn't racial identity keeping people from opportunity, I don't know what is)? That there are actually people, of various races, that debate issues like this and that it's horribly racist to say that just because someone is not white means they will have a particular opinion on these issues?
Furthermore, Bourdieu is very much a working class provincial guy who ended up in academia and became disillusioned with it, causing him to write lots of books about how the social position of academics influences their opinions and struggle with being an intellectual, trying more and more to be a part of the public domain. Butler is, of course, a woman, and hugely influential in gender and queer studies. These are people who are arguing against social domination... Nietzsche, however, is sort of unabashedly elitist. Although most of all, what he is against is the sort of weakness (invariably created by hierarchy and culture) that he sees as ruining the pride and happiness of men. These are interesting and complicated issues, and reducing the argument to a matter of upbringing does it a huge disservice.